High Survival Support Sader

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High Survival Support Sader

Post by Loreth » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:53 am

Race- Dwarf, Fighter
Starting Runes- Warlord's Page, Healthy as an Ox, Tough as Nails
In Game Runes- Godly Con

Str 45
Dex 25
Con 200
Int 70
Spr 66

Skills-
Toughness:137%(96)
Hammer:39%(5)
HA:100%(71)
Liturgy:89%(58)
Block:137%(96)
Parry-Leftovers(20pts) (maybe JM a disc power If I find one)

Powers-
% heal-Blessing of The Healing Hands-GM
health transfer-Sacrifice-GM

grp regen-Aid to the Faithful-GM
grp dmg-Benediction of Saint Lorne-GM

stun-Shield Bash-GM
% dmg shield-All-Father's Retribution-GM
root removal-Censure-1
zeal-The All-Father's Shield-1

Sacrifice, chants, and stuns for group support.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Ajushi » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:00 am

Go healer. Also, the atk speed chant from commy doesn't stack with conc/priest alac.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Loreth » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:16 am

Ajushi wrote:Go healer. Also, the atk speed chant from commy doesn't stack with conc/priest alac.

Good point on commy, wasn't sure.
I'd rather go fighter for more HPs for using sacrifice. What would I gain from going healer?

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Ajushi » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:21 am

Heals, an offensive stance that has power dmg on it and dignity.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Loreth » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:48 am

Ajushi wrote:Heals, an offensive stance that has power dmg on it and dignity.
With 70 int, his heals wouldn't be too good.
Does healer offensive stance increase Sacrifice? I thought it was based on %


.........On Second thought.. HG might be better
Final stats:
str 76
dex 30
con 200
int 85
spr 55
(+ Canticle of Inspiration Spirit Buff from Knight)

Higher Toughness and Block%, However, Does race make a big difference in HPs?

I need a good Char builder, anyone have one?

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Beula » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:24 pm

Arkanis has one in the brainstorming section I do believe.

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Omnius » Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:40 pm

As a rule, a support sader is generally a healer based template. The basic group heal is always a valuable asset and there is almost always a time it's worth having. Of course, I believe that almost every group support template I've ever played(besides bards) has been a healer and to the best my memory permits, all of them had the mini group heal.

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by BeanCurd » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:30 pm

healer ftw
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by ARMS » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:47 pm

BeanCurd wrote:healer ftw
yeah

healsader scrifice awesome
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Adron » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:06 pm

Loreth wrote:
Ajushi wrote:Heals, an offensive stance that has power dmg on it and dignity.
With 70 int, his heals wouldn't be too good.
Does healer offensive stance increase Sacrifice? I thought it was based on %


.........On Second thought.. HG might be better
Final stats:
str 76
dex 30
con 200
int 85
spr 55
(+ Canticle of Inspiration Spirit Buff from Knight)

Higher Toughness and Block%, However, Does race make a big difference in HPs?

I need a good Char builder, anyone have one?
sacrifice is not % based. the offensive stance from healer will help by 38%, and your mana pool from healer base will be nearly double that from fighter base. plus you'll need the healer based blessed mending to put that sac'd health back on yourself. the health pool of healer base for dwarf is nearly identical to fighter base anyway. So...redesign from scratch because you need int or spirit for all that crap to work well.

http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/i ... #Sacrifice

you were probably confused on the wiki for sacrifice because of the efficiency % listed. it's the 'amount' field you have to worry about, and that does not have a % sign.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Omnius » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:28 pm

Adron wrote:
Loreth wrote:
Ajushi wrote:Heals, an offensive stance that has power dmg on it and dignity.
With 70 int, his heals wouldn't be too good.
Does healer offensive stance increase Sacrifice? I thought it was based on %


.........On Second thought.. HG might be better
Final stats:
str 76
dex 30
con 200
int 85
spr 55
(+ Canticle of Inspiration Spirit Buff from Knight)

Higher Toughness and Block%, However, Does race make a big difference in HPs?

I need a good Char builder, anyone have one?
sacrifice is not % based. the offensive stance from healer will help by 38%, and your mana pool from healer base will be nearly double that from fighter base. plus you'll need the healer based blessed mending to put that sac'd health back on yourself. the health pool of healer base for dwarf is nearly identical to fighter base anyway. So...redesign from scratch because you need int or spirit for all that crap to work well.

http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/i ... #Sacrifice

you were probably confused on the wiki for sacrifice because of the efficiency % listed. it's the 'amount' field you have to worry about, and that does not have a % sign.

The percentage has to do with the health transfers efficiency. Sac having the best efficiency of any transfer to my knowledge.

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Reaper989 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:09 am

Omnius wrote:
Adron wrote:
Loreth wrote:
With 70 int, his heals wouldn't be too good.
Does healer offensive stance increase Sacrifice? I thought it was based on %


.........On Second thought.. HG might be better
Final stats:
str 76
dex 30
con 200
int 85
spr 55
(+ Canticle of Inspiration Spirit Buff from Knight)

Higher Toughness and Block%, However, Does race make a big difference in HPs?

I need a good Char builder, anyone have one?
sacrifice is not % based. the offensive stance from healer will help by 38%, and your mana pool from healer base will be nearly double that from fighter base. plus you'll need the healer based blessed mending to put that sac'd health back on yourself. the health pool of healer base for dwarf is nearly identical to fighter base anyway. So...redesign from scratch because you need int or spirit for all that crap to work well.

http://morloch.shadowbaneemulator.com/i ... #Sacrifice

you were probably confused on the wiki for sacrifice because of the efficiency % listed. it's the 'amount' field you have to worry about, and that does not have a % sign.

The percentage has to do with the health transfers efficiency. Sac having the best efficiency of any transfer to my knowledge.
Crusader
3 Seconds
38.9
240% (93.36)

Confessor
5 seconds
56.7
200% (113.4)

Crusaders pull ahead due to casting time and confessors can't get toughness :(

But, confessors get drains so it works out. But, nothing freaks people out like heals through SM for 1.2k-1.4k until they notice that one confessor going up and down on HP doing it.

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Sharpstone » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:46 pm

It appears to me that you are trying to design your build around two things, Group support with an emphasis on the Sacrifice ability, and general survivabilty. If that is so then may I recommend a Centaur Healer Crusader. Natural Con and Spi help with both Hit Points and Mana. Healer based saders can use their heals very effectively and coupled with the ability to kite better than other races and the ability to summon makes them IMHO the best choice. Most people disregard these toons, but I have seen these toons be the tide turner in numerous group battles. I would recommend the dmg chant on this toon as well, your group mates will love you for it.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Sharpstone » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:49 pm

P.S. If you are not familiar with these kind of builds they are HIGH INT/CON builds base str and dex with remaining into spi
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by AARON » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:29 pm

looks very good

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Coolwatersx » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:41 pm

Loreth wrote:
Ajushi wrote:Go healer. Also, the atk speed chant from commy doesn't stack with conc/priest alac.

Good point on commy, wasn't sure.
I'd rather go fighter for more HPs for using sacrifice. What would I gain from going healer?
Everyone is correct here man. Healer all the way.

That fighter would be the last to die, but would do nothing worthwhile and sacs would hit like a feather.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Khal » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:47 pm

Healer, ostance is necessary.

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Step up to 35 int, 40con
175Con
120Int
48Spi
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Khal » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:20 pm

Not how I build em, but if you want health, chants, heal support;

WA
Clever
TaN
35int
40con

100% HA
69%Bene
90 toughness
90 block
80 resto
49 liturgy

BM GM
PoM GM
Sac GM
Damage chant GM
HR GM
BotHH GM
Rage-1 (for block 50%)

Mess with the focus skills however you want, and take stuff out if you insist on shield bash
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by mfmax » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:56 am

I care about how to output GVG
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Khal » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:32 pm

mfmax wrote:I care about how to output GVG

Interesting, care to elaborate?
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by tooshifty » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:45 pm

theres no point in going 200con/70int...its not great for anything but observing.

healer based is much better for dmg on the build u are thinking though(as mentioned). If you go fighter you will tickle your enemies until they kill you outright.

I would go 110int minimum. The hp return on con is awful.

The hp on fighters is still higher than healers but...fighters suck in comparison unless you go offensive stance dual hammer or defensive stance shield.

i dare not go over 5k on a dwarf caster. You dont need to and they work much better around 4.5k/5khp
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Moco » Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:46 am

tooshifty wrote:theres no point in going 200con/70int...its not great for anything but observing.

healer based is much better for dmg on the build u are thinking though(as mentioned). If you go fighter you will tickle your enemies until they kill you outright.

I would go 110int minimum. The hp return on con is awful.

The hp on fighters is still higher than healers but...fighters suck in comparison unless you go offensive stance dual hammer or defensive stance shield.

i dare not go over 5k on a dwarf caster. You dont need to and they work much better around 4.5k/5khp
The 200 con route is very useful, having a massive HP pool in full resist jewels is priceless. On a support sader you should not be concerned with nuking at all so 110 int is not really needed, the role you play is chants & heals through debuffs/mantles. With the 110int the sac difference will be higher but a normal lower int 700heal going past mantle and assuming you are double HoT'd will hold the field better.
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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Deathmarch » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:38 pm

if you want to make a sader that's Skah! in gvg make an int con def nukesader, at least those are good solo

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by jager » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:34 pm

Healer all the way!

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Re: High Survival Support Sader

Post by Pelton » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:20 pm

Dwarf Healer Crusader

Creation:
Wizard's Apprentice
Brilliant Mind

Ingame Runes:
35 Con
35 Int

Disciplines:
Forge Master
Sanctifier

End Stats:
170 Con
125 Int
58 Spi

Focus Skills:
130% Block
100% Heavy Armour
69% Benediction
130% Liturgy
120% Restoration

Powers:
GM Blessed Mending
GM Prayer of Mending
GM Blessing of the Healing Hands
GM Censure
GM Sacrifice
JM Harden Armour
1 Sacred Reinforcement
1 Sanctify the Fallen

Gear:
100 Mana 25% MR/12 Int Hood
35 Holy/12 Int Rings
20/20/20/12 Int Neck
4/4/2 HA Chest
4/4/2 HA Sleeves
4/4/2 HA Gloves
4/4/15 HA Boots
4/4/2 HA Leggings
165 Atr/12 Int Scepter
35 Magic/+3 passive Shield

Information:
5k Health
1350 Atr Rating
900-1k Sacrifice
260-760 PoM
180-520 Blessed Mending


1 priest 2 DSCs and the priest will never die or he will be the last 2 die

Or u could run 3 DSCs that each heal each other on a macro ( kidsmeal ) and you have to kill the other 7 toons in the group then the macro saders.

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